UBF “Fishing” 10/18/16 -text messages amongst EX UBF Members
C: Unfortunately, they fish to teach false doctrine and
indoctrinate people to UBF, but fishing is just another religious activity for
them in how they try to discipline their flesh, it would be different if they
went out to actually preach the gospel with people.
K: It Seems to me that even “fishing” in the UBF sense is
unbiblical. It’s not an attempt to preach the gospel, but rather to trick young
people into attending subtly deceptive recruitment sessions. Find me one
example of Christians “fishing” one to one students in the scriptures. Find me
one passage that
says one to one is better than groups because it’s easier to
control someone that way.
C: @K couldn’t have said it better.
A: Well it becomes unbiblical because if you leave their
bible study you leave God’s will in some way.
E: Fishing is cool, but it’s not the only way… I would have
fun fishing.
E: Teaching was harder.
C: Cool doesn’t make it right or correct.
E: I hated when I had to “challenge” students tho… man it would get heated.
A: When It becomes about student staying instead of just
giving them the gospel and pointing to
Christ- then that’s when it gets crazy!!
A: Yeah, me too.
E: I think fishing is biblical but for the most part I think
Jesus sent them out two by two.
E: But yeah what they do isn’t even fishing.
C: Its evil for them to make us think you’re sinning when
you’re not fishing.
E: It’s just plain hunting people down.
A: yeah, that’s true @C and @E
C: Or for them to make you fell obligated to fish.
E: LOL
E: Yeah that’s a sing on their part
A: @k-yeah fishing just “College Students”
E: That’s that binding heavy loads on u
A: yup!
K: There are other similar activities that are biblical, but
I would call it by another name because it is another thing. “Fishing” is the
process of specifically looking for vulnerable people and enticing them via
half truths into a situation where you can manipulate them easier. There are
specific cases where fishing can be biblical, but UBF generally pressures you
to approach It the “Ideal” way.
C: The work of God is the work of the Cross on what Christ
did at Calvary overcoming sin and death! That’s the power that saves us is what
He did with his blood, fishing is not the work of God, they make you believe
fishing is the work of God, and make you feel bad for not doing it.
E: Well Jesus did say that if you followed him he will make
u a fisher of men.
A: Okay, so then how does that work… How do you make someone
a fisher of men?!
E: You don’t Jesus does.
A: Okay true. But then what is fishing? Lol What’s the right
way to fish?!
E: It’s not a requirement for justification but it’s a
result of it.
E: But yeah I agree what UBF does is something else.
C: I believe there’s an appointed time when God will empower
an individual by His Holy Spirit to preach the gospel, maybe when He thinks
they’re ready.
E: Just throwing the word out there…like in the parable of
the sower.. I doesn’t have to be on campus it can be anywhere… you throw the
word/bait and then God draws people to himself through the word through/into
the ocean of peoples.
A: Oh I see…..
K: By not setting out to prey on vulnerable people that you
can mold into “disciples,” but rather to simply preach the gospel and to
testify of Christ.
E: When you throw it into the sea… the sea actually
represents the world based on a passage in
revelations.
E: Amen, yes to everyone.
E: N anyone
E: To every creature it says in Mark
A: Omg everything you guys said is sooo new to me… like mind
blown!!! When did you guys realize this Cause you all had the same belief
“System” as me at one time.
C: There's a lot we don’t share @A lol some stuff you
might not be ready for lol
E: Just pray and read the scriptures without any
preconceived bias n the spirit will speak to u
A: huh = (
E: Lmbo that sounds cultish
C: I’m just messin lol
K: A one to one Bible study can certainly be healthy and
biblical, but only if done in the right spirit and in truth. We are not called
to control people, and we have not failed when the people in our lives disobey
us. We are called to love people and live for Jesus; God is the one who does
the work. Remember, 3000 people were added to the church at Pentecost simply
because they saw the love and the community of the early Christians… it is God
who works.
A: Oh I hope so = (
A: @K- praise God
A: I started reading Matthew soo let’s see how God works. So
many lies that need to be cut off!!!
E: Amen I agree with @K 100 percent but at the same time I do
believe that everybody in the body of Christ has a function whether big or
small… every function is important…. So although Christ did all the work
necessary for salvation we are still
created for good works which he prepared before hand. Eph 2:1
E: Not in a legalistic sense but yeah
A: This is true
E: I don’t believe that all should be teachers or all should
be shepherds etc.
A: Oh I see….
E: Its through our good works that God does the greater
work… because Peter still had to preach in order
for the 3000 to be converted.
A: WOW!
E: God can do anything he pleases but it seems to me that not
all times but for the most part he uses a “vessel” to accomplish his purposes…
correct me if I am wrong.
K: Oh yes of course. God works through us; that is the way
He has designed his kingdom. But as soon as we try to manipulate people we are
no longer letting God work.
K: Though as we all know He can still choose to work even
through our flawed actions.
E: Amen… yes there are two phrases in the scripture… one is
quenching the spirit and another grieving the spirit.
A: Amen!! So I can copy and paste these messages in a
document and post them on the blog we have? Lol
E: My understanding is that quenching the spirit is when you
don’t do what the Holy spirit is leading you to do… the other grieving the
spirit is when you do the opposite to what the spirit desires.
E: UBF are pros at quenching the spirit
E: The Spirit will start to work through the preaching of
the word, but then its put out or quenched when they include their false
teachings, then at that point the spirit is grieved as well.
E: N then a counterfeit spirit creeps in
E2: Go for it @A
E: What’s crazy is that on the end everyone even Satan serves
Gods purpose… in a sense.. for example the Pharisees and even the Romans served
Gods purpose by crucifying Christ… but yeah I don’t want to be the one to serve
God in the way lol
A: Lol yeah NO!!
C: @A I think part of the deprogramming that we have to do
is separating our identity from the word of fishing and the religious thing we
did at Shepherds Church, a lot of our identity was shaped up by what we did in
that church, that’s why it was easy to become proud and self-righteous, when
you were doing better than others in trying to discipline your flesh, your
identity became at the expense of the religious work you did, that’s why when
failed, you felt bad, condemnation came, guilt, and at times you weren’t even
sure about your salvation when you weren’t doing the “work of God,” so you’re
identity went up and down because you based it off of you and your actions, we
have to learn to only shape our identity in Christ and His actions for us, what
He did for us, surrendering what we are currently doing, and what we will do,
to allow what he is doing to be accomplished and achieved in and through our
lives.
